(((breathe)))

i’ve been feeling really overwhelmed lately.  just lots going on all at once… and ALL NEEDING MY IMMEDIATE ATTENTION.  and it gets piled on and piled on and then the pile gets higher and higher…  and at this very moment, my pile is too high.  so typically i would prioritize and just work my way down the list of things to get done.  except this time is different; i have multiple lists…  in fact, i have lists reminding myself to list something on my list.  

parenting lately is overwhelming me.  jackson, right now, is overwhelming me.  juggling married life with a baby is overwhelming me.  money issues are overwhelming me.  we leave saturday for a week at the beach for a family reunion, and just preparing for the travel is overwhelming me.   

i’m overwhelmed.  yet still trying to breathe.

i promise, i’m going somewhere with this…

so i was talking with a friend of mine the other day about how i am feeling overwhelmed.  eventually our conversation turned to medication, and it dawned on me that no matter who i have discussions with regarding stress or feeling overwhelmed,9 times out of 10 medication creeps into the conversation.  more specifically, anti-anxiety medication.

hmmm...  what to do...  what to do...

hmmm... what to do... what to do... (ps- like the dark circles under my eyes? yea! that's hot!)

so my next step was to go twitter with it…  that’s right, i went all out there and had KILLER conversations this morning with strangers friends about meds, anti-anxiety meds, why, why not, and everything in between.  the responses i have gotten today have been overwhelming (damnit there’s that word again) and the candor is remarkable.  

my first thought was to go about this post all researchy about it…  anti-anxiety meds.  what one’s options are… side effects… stats on who uses them (particularly parents and new parents)… etc.

screw that.

so, i’m going open forum on y’all… i’m putting this post out in the hopes of continuing some incredible conversation, gaining insight and perspective and support, because apparently this whole parenting thing is really hard.

anxiety?! what anxiety?! i don't have anxiety! why are you looking at me?!

anxiety?! what anxiety?! i don't have anxiety! why are you looking at me?! (again, dark circles... HELLO!)

so, post a comment if you so desire with your story, with info, with links, anonymously if you prefer, layin’ it all out there if you prefer.  if you want to stay anonymous, please feel free to do, or you can always email me.

are you pro-meds? anti-meds? why/why not? what’s your experience like with/without? do you think you should be taking something but don’t for whatever reason?

consider the forum open…  it’s all you!  and it’s all appreciated.  one thing i am learning about all of this is that it’s something that is perhaps not discussed enough.  of course please be respectful.  there are some incredible people out there with incredible things to say.    

so….  ”twalk amongst yoselves…”

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  • Hey girl – great topic to open up. It’s amazing how many of have grappled with this. I am one of those people who was anti-medication of any kind, mainly because my mother was of that mind and drilled it into us – suffer but do not take anything – it’s not good for you scenario.

    However, after my first baby was born, I was diagnosed with PPD when she was five months old. I waited two long months before i accepted that I needed an anti-depressant because I didn’t want to wean her from breastfeeding. Ends up, starting the medication was the best thing for both her and me. I was a MUCH better mother after that in that I could sleep, not feel so overwhelmed and just all round felt SO MUCH better.

    I stopped it after about 18 months and with my second pregnancy, it came back. (the depression). Some of it was because I was on bedrest for 18 weeks (yes, you heard me right!) but mainly I think it was hormonal with me and probably genetic. I was started on a med that was OK for pregnancy, but it was really stressful and didn’t help that much.

    I felt GREAT after my son’s birth and then was hit hard when he was 9 months old with SEVERE post-partum and anxiety attacks that were so bad I thought I was dying! Again, I had to wean him and start back on anti-depressants and also something to help me sleep because I literally was insomniac for three months. Thank God, I did not listen to my pride, because I am genetically disposed to this post-partum and it got me through a very tough time.

    I would say that if you are feeling that overwhelmed like you described, you should definitely discuss it with your doctor. If you know your “normal” and this is not it, you’d be amazed at how getting medication might help and might not have to be forever. Remember too that your hormones are still settling from the whole pregnancy and birth thing. Add to that motherhood demands, especially of a busy toddler, and you have every reason to get help before you start to feel too bad.

    I am not an advocate for any drugs, but just know that in my situation it was not something I could cope with or help, it was my body adjusting to the whole physical part of hormonal shifts. It’s much more common than you think. I had no family near either and you need to get plenty of support and understanding from your husband if that is the case for you.

    OK, enough rambling, I have been down that road and would suggest you open up to your doc. You are doing the most important job in the world and if you need help to get you feeling good, then do it! :)
    Just my two cents worth. Sorry it’s long!
    Tricia :)

  • I grew up in an environment that looked down on anyone who had to enlist the help of anti-depressants/anxieties,etc. Didn’t take long for me to dismiss that crap. There have been a few times I’ve taken the dope to cope… and am quite glad I did.

    My first divorce led to a diagnosis of depression. Doc hooked me up with a great anti-depressant which helped me think clearly, sleep better, and get out of the fog I’d been living in for the better part of six years. I was also much better able to handle the stress of the divorce process that was going on (and the constant mental abuse I was taking from the soon to be ex).

    Another time, I found out I was having anxiety attacks due to the stress of an ex that wouldn’t leave me alone/stalker. (I didn’t know that’s what it was, I just thought I was losing my mind.) I didn’t really take to the meds the doc gave me for that; it kind of made me feel weird and like I really WAS losing my mind.

    Then the final time was four years ago, during my last pregnancy. I was having a very difficult pregnancy- in and out of the hospital from premature labor at 16 weeks until 32 weeks. When I wasn’t in the hospital I was on bed rest and meds to keep from having contractions. During this time, already stressed out, my brother (who was in the USAF) died, which pushed my stress level to the max. My OBGYN prescribed a mild anti-anxiety for me to take, which got me through to end of my short pregnancy; then I was put on Zoloft again. (because it worked so well for me in the past, especially for dealing with the overwhelming anxiety) It.worked.wonders. Since I was dealing with a death, then a premature birth just two months later, I had to have help with the stress because I was, literally, at my boiling point and about ready to explode. The meds really helped, tremendously, with the anxiety more than anything; and helped give me the clarity to think again AND helped me to sleep peacefully again.

    So, heh, to the point of this… I’m all for the meds for myself. I take them when I need them, and lay off when I don’t. Thankfully, I haven’t needed any in the past 3 years or so, but if I did wouldn’t hesitate to ask the doc. A little help never hurt anybody!

    Even though I’m not taking anything, haven’t for nearly 4 years, I wouldn’t hesitate if I thought I needed to. I have learned a few ways of dealing with my stressors without the dope, but would still turn to it if those didn’t work.

    ~Nickie

  • Blair says:

    Wow!! What a great topic of conversation! This is a discussion I continue to have with people on a frequent basis. (I guess that is what Professional Counselors do! haha)

    To drug or not to drug? That is the question!

    I have always had an issue with anxiety and learning how to cope with it in a positive and healthy manner. I did not have a serious issue with dealing with depression until after I had Elisabeth Grace and went through a year of working at horrendous job. I went through a year of talk therapy before my therapist & I decided that I needed to be on medication. It definitely helped me put into action some of the “coping skills” I already knew!

    Although I do not recommend immediately jumping into medications it does ultimately help if your anxiety is unmanageable on its own and you are having anxiety/panic attacks. Having some anxiety is normal & healthy but when it gets out of control and you cannot manage your life, you definitely need some sort of help! I also recommend, if you can afford it or if your insurance pays for it, talk therapy. It always helps to have a neutral, and professional, person to hear the issues you are having. Medications do help “take the edge off” some of the symptoms that may be occurring but they do not fix any situation. That is why I highly recommend a combination of both talk & meds. Both treatments will help you think more clearly and deal with the major issues at hand in a more positive manner and in turn help you deal better with things going on in your everyday life. That is both my personal and professional experience. Hope this sheds some additional light onto this important topic!! No one should ever feel ashamed to ask for professional help when it is needed if it will improve your everyday life!

    Ciao,
    Blair

  • My Bottle's Up! says:

    the conversation that was taking place on twitter was more along the lines of parenting… and the anxiety that comes with being a parent. i have heard from A LOT of parents (both moms and dads) lately that anxiety re: parenting has led them to meds. and it’s sparked my curiosity more than anything.

    so maybe i started off this conversation incorrectly… because my post wasn’t necessarily directed at my needs particularly, but just an attempt at continuing a stimulating conversation from this morning.

    personally, my only experience with anti-anxiety meds was due to PTSD after i had been raped in college, and then when paul was deployed. so i guess in my own negligence, i had been under the impression that anti-anxiety meds meant there was “an issue” or “a something” that warranted that need.

    shit, is this making sense?

    while i am COMPLETELY overwhelmed this week, today, yesterday… there are days when i’m not. so i guess what i’m trying to say is that i didn’t mean for this post to become “let’s give nic advice” as in more of an open forum for people to discuss their own experiences with it.

    i just never knew how common medicating for anxiety was until i became a parent. and it fascinates me to hear people’s stories and glean from their experiences. getting through the day-to-day can be completely and entirely all-consuming and overwhelming… and i have just started to notice a trend pop up as i’ve discussed with other parents who are medicated for anxiety. and i’m fascinated by that, hence the twitter discussion this morning and now this open forum post.

    i completely agree with what blair added about there being no shame behind it. i’m all for self-care, however you need to take care of yourself. i am a better parent to the magoo when i have taken care of myself, that’s for damn sure!

    awesome inputs!

    keep the convo going… i’m stoked!

  • Blair says:

    I didn’t mean for my input to be directed at you!! Sorry if it sounded like it…I was just giving my input into the meds vs. normal coping discussion…

  • Idoia says:

    I took Xanax for the first time ever last week when I went in for a root canal (I am not a “good patient”) and I swear, if that’s what they give for anxiety? Woooweee no wonder people take it! I don’t remember THE ENTIRE DAY. That stuff is powerful.

    So that’s my experience. My feelings are that parenting is pretty intense, but I have always been of the mind that the feelings I have now are sooooo temporary that I’d rather find other outlets first and consider meds a last-ish resort. Not that I haven’t medicated. I’ve fought off depression most of my life (age 12 – 29) and took pills off and on throughout those years. For now I’m okay, so for now I won’t take anything.

  • Hey girlfriend – you probably know quite a bit of my story, but I’ll recap for others here.

    About 9-10 yrs ago, I had a horrible episode which required a trip to the er, ultimately ending in a diagnosis of untreated hypothyroidism. My blood pressure, blood sugar and pulse dropped so low, it was like a diabetic coma. Ok not QUITE that severe, but I was unable to talk, walk, swallow, etc.

    Anyways, within a year of that episode, I began to have issues of anxiety. Feeling nervous about going out to the store, tense in the shoulders when I had to wait in line…things of that nature. I studied and got one of my BA’s in psychology, so I knew how to handle these episodes: breathe, relax, and understand that my anxiety was unfounded. While I knew all of this, and physically made myself deal with it, my brain chemistry continued to get worse. I began avoiding the grocery store, the bank, the movie theater.

    OH the movie theater…I don’t know that I can EVER step foot in one again. I had such a sever anxiety attack, I passed out on my way up the aisle while rushing out, and collapsed on the floor. I was horrified to wake up with the lights on and people staring at me.

    These little things only compounded my anxiety, and after it growing for years, I finally realized that I needed help. I NEVER EVER wanted to go on meds. I KNEW that I would never need them, and I was almost too stubborn to take them. Why? Because my (estranged) mother is bipolar and really effed with my childhood b/c of her untreated mental illness. I promised myself that I would be as unlike her as one possibly could, which would ultimately mean that I was normal. Well, I had to eventually face those fears and go see a doctor about my anxiety b/c my entire quality of life had been compromised.

    I wouldn’t go out of my apt. if people were around to see me. I couldn’t wait in ANY line (at a store) w/ out feeling like I would pass out again or throw up. And I felt that if I passed out, I would surely die. So, before I went out to do ANYTHING, I would have a drink or two to take the edge off. Not a good thing. And not possible when going to job interviews.

    So yes, finally after 6 YEARS of trying to do it on my own, I was prescribed meds, and haven’t looked back since. I don’t have any anxiety about parenting, funny enough. But I do have diagnosed General Anxiety Disorder, Agoraphobia, Social Anxiety Disorder, and Panic Disorder. And this is the agreed upon diagnosis of 4 different doctors that I have seen; psychologists, psychiatrists, and MDs combined.

    Needless to say, as the past few years have gone on, my levels of medication have increased to the highest doses possible, at which time I have to get a supplement and then switch to another drug. Right now I am on 200 mg Zoloft, 1 mg Klonapin twice daily, and have Ambien for my constant insomnia.

    I never thought I would be so reliant upon medication, but I know what it is like to live w/out them, and that is a future I don’t think that I can face. I know w/o a doubt that if I were not on medication, I would not have my child, job, friends, or health. I’d probably have a very damaged liver and cobwebs in my hair. lol

    I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that I cannot “work through”, and I have made my peace with this. As others have commented, “if I was diabetic, I would be taking insulin.” Same difference. =)

  • PrincessJenn says:

    Years ago when I was in high school I started getting horrible anxiety attacks. To the point where I would collapse walking down a crowded hallway. Not fun. I was prescribed a nice little pill that made a huge difference and I was able to eventually wean myself off of them. A big part of that was understanding exactly what the triggers were and how the body goes into a fight or flight mode. I also learned that avoiding the triggers was only going to escalate my panic attacks. I still get panic attacks and probably always will, but I’m able to manage them through breathing and relaxation techniques.

    The whole panic attack issue in high school also brought my depression to a head and I finally was diagnosed and went on meds for that. I only stayed on the antidepressants for a few years before again weaning myself off. And all was lovely until I had V. For two years I’ve been spiraling downwards, and I recently had to admit defeat and go back on the antidepressants. It’s my sincere wish I had done so sooner. I’m able cope with my life better. I’m able to be a better parent because my focus isn’t on trying to keep myself together.

  • Kellee says:

    This was a great idea, my dear. I highly recommend the meds if you need them. I’ve only “partially” needed them, and my experience has been a bit of a rollercoaster. I feel either undermedicated or overmedicated, and finding a balance has been difficult. I wrote about it not long ago:

    http://notsosmallthings.blogspot.com/2009/05/druuuugz.html

  • My Bottle's Up says:

    awesome, awesome feedback. thanks so much!

    question… for the parents… was the anxiety brought on more, or heightened as a result of becoming a parent? and then the reverse of that, i guess, would be (if you were already on meds before) did the meds and the stabilization they provided you, make you a “better parent”?

    i ask this because some people i have spoken with have instantly gone to anti-anxiety meds upon becoming a mom or a dad… like it was a given. and i’m wondering maybe where that idea originated because i hadn’t even considered it until recently.

    awesome, awesome stuff! keep it comin!

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  • mommymae says:

    while i don’t suffer from anxiety, stress, depression i can see a need for medication for some people. my dad and both in-laws take depression meds, but do not visit a therapist often. in fact, my in-laws go once a year just for the script. on the other hand, my husband has a therapist that he sees on a regular basis & doesn’t take medication. different things work for different people, but i do think a lack of tackling ones issues can be a cop out. medication in conjunction with therapy should be the rule, not the exception. no matter what, if someone is feeling overwhelmed i think they should seek out help from someone who is willing to help them.

    *i’m not being snarky, i’ve just seen medication being used & abused & this is where i am today with my views on this particular topic. it may change.

    **and when i say therapy/therapist i mean counselor, psychiatrist, psychologist, pastor, rabbi, whatever, etc.

  • There is a big difference between an anxiety disorder and being a bit anxious from time to time.

    I’m a firm believer in medication when it’s warranted. Like Heartmycloe and Princess Jenn(*hi guys!*) I have had some major problems with anxiety. I have a panic disorder with agoraphobia and my doctor suspects an underlying problems with PTSD and even OCD.
    I had a great deal of success with medication; it quite literaly saved me. I hate to think of where I would be without medical intervention.

    Because of nasty side effects and also because it IS possible to manage these issues without medication, I’ve been off meds for a few years. This wouldn’t be possible if medication hadn’t gotten me to a manageable point first though. Now, I’m trying a number of different methods of management. Some work, some I struggle with. Going back to medication may be a possibility if what I’m trying fails. But that’s just MY reality. Everyone is different.

    So again, medication is great when needed. It shouldn’t even be questioned really. You wouldn’t suggest that a diabetic doesn’t need insulin, so anxiety disorders should be given the same courtesy. It’s important to note that medication should be combined WITH therapy in order to be most effective – otherwise, you’re just covering up the problem.

    What I realy hate to see is over prescribing of medication to people who DON’T really need it. I don’t think an anti-anxiety med should be taken if you’re just a little stressed. I think that’s a recipe for disaster. Stress is necessary to some degree and we should be able to manage a little in our lives. It’s when stress starts to compromise our health and sanity that we need to look for medical help.

    There are other ways to manage daily stress – take on less, get help, don’t sweat the small stuff, meditation, yoga, exercise, taking care of yourself with a healthy diet and good sleep, finding time for yourself… I understand that we can’t do all of those things, but we can try a few can’t we?

    If we’re choose to take a little pill at the first sign of a bad day, coping with daily stress will just become more difficult I think and perpetuate the problem we’re trying to fix. Medication is great, but if it’s only being used as a crutch or because it’s just easier, then it’s no better than self medicating with alcohol or other drugs.

  • I personally am not ‘anti-medication’ in general. I believe that if a person needs the medication – is struggling with coping/managing and having problems in their day to day life due to anxiety/depression, then by all means, get some relief!

    For my husband and I, we prefer to try all alternative routes before turning to medication. We are glad that it’s there, in the event that we may someday NEED it (eventually, he probably will.. being Bipolar), but for now, we’re both managing in other ways – talking through things that we’re struggling with, leaning on each other for support, changing our diet, increasing exercise, and other such things.

    So yes, I think that if a person needs medication, then they should have it. But I think that there are many other things people can try before turning to mind altering drugs that can be beneficial in more ways than just alleviating mental strain and illness. It just depends on the situation. :)

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  • Maria says:

    I’m not pro or anti meds. I’ve seen them really help some people. I do think they’re sometimes overused, especially with children.

    What sucks is that because they ARE overused, people with huge genuine awful depression and anxiety problems are sometimes blown off–people telling them to just sleep more or excercise, etc.

    That being said, I believe that a lot of stress CAN be dealt with (when the levels are fairly normal) by better diet, activity, etc.

    Do I do those things to manage my stress? NO. I’m busy barely getting through my days.

    I have mostly good days, and some bad days once in a while. Usually bad night. But I’d say only 2-3 times a month. Much better than every other night when I worked full time in a really stressful job.

    I’ve never tried medication because I don’t like feeling different.

    At risk of sounding like a damn hippy, I have found that tea and essential oils can both be very, very helpful for anxiety.

  • Susan says:

    This is going to be long and rambling because my mind is all scrambled and shit. Just a warning.
    I have always had issues with anxiety. I know that now. I can look back and see how it see how it has effected my life negatively and positively. Yes I said positively. I think my anxiety helps me read people easier. I am more aware of what is around me. I do over analyze to the point of insanity, but somewhere in there is a sane idea that helps.
    Negatively I look back and see anxiety was the reason I couldn’t hold a job down for more then a couple of years, the reason my self-confidence was low and probably the reason I have and had a hard time relating to people. I was always afraid, scared, tired, anxious of the unknown.
    Right now I am dealing with the negative effects of anti-anxiety meds. I have tremors and am grinding my teeth at night to the point of parts of my teeth coming off. There is no magic pill and some work for one person but not for others. I haven’t found my one. I could give up and say this isn’t worth it but I know I can’t go on living like I was living. Dedicating yourself to getting better is part of the process- nothing will go away 100% the meds just allow you to (((breathe))) you gotta figure out the rest for yourself.
    Anyhoo Once I had both my kids my anxiety took on a new form, it was causing me physical pain. I had arthritic like pain in my hands, I couldn’t sleep. It was bad. I couldn’t even leave my house. I turned 30 and something snapped.
    I have talked to family and realize this is around the time my real mom “changed” my brother started drinking and my dad’s first divorce. Something is there in my family. It is genetic. And I can’t help it- but I can keep it form running my life.

  • My Bottle's Up says:

    susan- this is incredible…. “And I can’t help it- but I can keep it form running my life.”

  • Just noticed your question regarding anxiety and parenting.

    For me? No. Anxiety can be aggravated by parenting, but as far as what causes it and what it is I’m ‘anxious about’, parenting really has very little to do with it. Obviously it is a factor, being that I am a mom of 5 kids and they are a big part of my life, but parenting and all that goes with it, does not generally give me anxiety. I have had problems with social anxiety all my life, but my kids actually made that somewhat easier to deal with. ;) They give me an ‘out’ in social situations. As far as my PTSD, that has only really been bad in the last year or so, due to other things that happened in my life.

    Depression has been an ongoing problem for me since my teens. Again.. other issues. ;)

  • Ali says:

    I didn’t touch too much in my post on what meds I was on because the names aren’t important. I began having panic attacks before I was ever a parent, and to be honest during my pregnancys were some of the quietest times since then. I’m not sure why, maybe hormones…maybe just knowing I could go to the Dr whenever I wanted…who knows.

    http://www.mylifewiththem.com/2009/06/panic-at-home.html

  • swerds says:

    Wow. You are all amazing people and even more amazing for sharing your stories.

    Not a parent, but not for lack of trying. I do work with high school students in a local school. While I may not understand being a parent, I do understand the anxiety that can come from working with kids.

    Add to that being BiPolar. I do have experience with the med/no med question.

    I have medication for use ‘as needed’. There are times that I need the meds every day for a week or more. There are other times that I will go months without needing it at all. But it’s taken me a long, very long time to get to the point where I can see the signs of anxiety taking over my life and treat before everything is overturned. But it works for me, and my doctors support this course of treatment for me.

    Early on, what I needed more than meds was a safe place. A place to talk out what was going on in my life without feeling judged. A place where I could vent without having someone trying to tell me how to solve my problems. There are still times when I need that safe place more than I need meds. And a hint: I don’t get that from someone close to me. They are too invested in my life and health and happiness to hear me with an unbiased ear. They try too hard to help. The right talk therapist offered that safe, non-judgemental place and it made a world of difference for me.

    Sometimes, it’s a matter of finding the right therapist. Sometimes it’s finding the right med or cocktail of meds. Sometimes it’s a combination of those two things. But the fact that you’re talking about it, is wonderful.

  • Hannah says:

    I am a big believer in medication! There is a history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family, so no surprise when I was diagnosed with clinical depression and anxiety disorder in college.
    My doctor put me on medication combined with weekly therapy sessions and I cannot tell you how good I started to feel a couple of weeks after starting to take the meds. Before, my life was a constant battle between feeling really low and not wanting any of my friends to know that I was depressed, and having my heart start to race because I had a big assignment due, or even if I had to go talk to someone new. That constant up and down was exhausting, and both my friends and parents were really worried about me.
    That all changed with the help of the medication. I started feeling good, which was something that I hadn’t experienced in years, and I started to branch out, little by little.
    I’m no longer on medication, but it put me on the path to where I am today. I know what my triggers are and how to deal with them, I am going to work on being okay without it

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