oh nevada… you’re not doing yourself any favors
i am biased. entirely biased. and that bias is not going to change.
i am passionate. very passionate. and i highly doubt that will change either.
***feel free to click on the little “x” to close your browser. no hard feelings.***
yesterday, i came across this piece of information via huffingtonpost.com with regards to a potential nevada senator… a potential female senator for the state of nevada… a woman.
Since winning the Republican nomination in the Nevada Senate race Sharron Angle has drawn attention and controversy for a host of conservative policy prescriptions that seem well outside the political mainstream. Now, a Democratic source has passed along a radio interview she did back in January 2010 that could end up topping the list.
In an segment that has gone unnoticed since it first aired, the Tea Party-backed candidate told the Bill Manders show — a favorable platform for Republican candidates — that she opposed abortion even in cases of rape and incest. A pregnancy under those circumstances, she said, was “God’s plan.”
it should be noted that i’m not making this about the republican party v. the democratic party. my personal disgust with this woman and her public stance with regards to abortion has nothing to do with her political party. to be fair to each party however, i did visit both the nevada state democratic and republican party websites. the “top story” on the nevada republican party website does involve sharron angle, however, it does not address her opposition to abortion, so i chose not to quote it.
my issue has to do with the subject matter that is being addressed. rape. incest. abortion. god.
***again, feel free to click the little “x” to close your browser. still, no hard feelings.***
upon visiting the nevada state democratic party website, i came across this piece of information with regards to the same potential nevada senator and the same radio interview mentioned above…
When asked by conservative radio talk host Bill Manders whether she would support banning abortion even in cases of rape or incest Angle said there was no acceptable reason for an abortion because “God has a plan.”
Manders: Is there any reason at all for an abortion?
Angle: Not in my book.
Manders: So, in other words, rape and incest would not be something?
Angle: You know, I’m a Christian and I believe that God has a plan and a purpose for each one of our lives and that he can intercede in all kinds of situations and we need to have a little faith in many things.”
suffice to say, this makes me ill. absolutely ill.
so, for those of you who stuck around and did not click on the “x” and close your browser… thoughts?
27 Responses to oh nevada… you’re not doing yourself any favors
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I can find no other words than Holy Fuck! how christian is THAT?
jenn´s last [type] ..A Perfect Dozen
No X from me.
Except XXXOOO for this post. Damn. As a Christian, I’m going to have a little faith that her 15 minutes is up.
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I hear you! (It’s why I’m more of a moderate than a conservative… not that this is ABOUT politics… but yeah, still.)
SADLY… that is a common line from fundamentalist Christians. AS a Christian, who, like you, has been raped, I can HONESTLY say that IF I had gotten pregnant, I would have ABSOLUTELY gotten an abortion. I REALLY don’t think I would have regretted it. AT. ALL.
I’m really glad that the people who spout that nonsense have never been raped, because I would NEVER wish that on anyone. BUT, I wish that more fundamental Christians would open their mind to grasp what it must be like to have someone FORCE, COERCE, DRUG, someone to have sex and then to leave a little piece of disgustingness behind. I don’t think they grasp how SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP it is to be left with a piece of your attacker like that.
Another thing is… what do they KNOW about what God’s Plan is? I mean, does He appear to them like Moses on the mountain and spell it out for them? I mean, SERIOUSLY! Who is anyone to say what God’s plan is other than God??
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completely agree Lisa!!!
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yep, I read the Wonkette blog on a regular basis, and unfortunately this seems to be her brand of crazy.
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I wish I had words. I get very upset when people use God to condemn, judge or otherwise hurt other human beings. I’m pretty sure THAT’S not in his plan, but whatever.
angi´s last [type] ..Why I Said Yes
I don’t understand why people say these sorts of things.
I will just come out with it, I am anti-abortion and I tend to classify myself as “conservative” but that is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I would interested to know how she would feel had she ever been raped or the victim of incest. I would assume, much differently.
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heather, thanks for your comment and your candor. i am pro-choice but that does not mean i am pro-abortion. i’ve experienced a few conversations where i’ve stated that i am pro-choice and that has been interpreted as me being pro-abortion. i have yet to come across a single person who says they are “pro-abortion.” but since you mentioned that you are “anti-abortion,” i just wanted to comment on the distinction between the two because i have found it to be one that can at times get misconstrued.
Nic,
I fully agree that there is a difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice. The reason I chose to use the term anti-abortion is because I think we all skirt around the issue. I think pro-life is a bit stupid in that, aren’t we all? Aren’t we all pro-keeping babies alive? I usually say anti-abortion because I am not anti-choice and that’s what most people hear when you say pro-life. Just like people assume that you are pro-abortion instead of pro-choice. It would be nice if we all stopped assuming about one another, wouldn’t it?
When it comes to issues such as the ones that idiot Sharron Angle was discussing, I get so upset and I tend to upset my fellow conservatives. I would never, in a million years, tell a woman that she is wrong to not want to carry her rapists baby. It is absurd to think that anyone should HAVE to do that. I say Brava to women that are strong enough to do so, but I don’t know if I could do it myself.
I just hope that now that I have come out of the “conservative” closet we can still be friends!
Heather @ Brace Yourselves´s last [type] ..You know its been a busy week when-
oh hun, i luff me some conservatives… and somedays that even includes my husband. it just means a lot to me that you feel comfortable enough here to say what you want and how you feel, regardless of anything else. that’s badass and i couldn’t ask for anything more on my blog. xoxo!
Heather, I’m going to copy and paste your reply to Nic about distinguishing the anti-abortion vs pro-life… because you have MUCH more TACT than I do when saying stuff and I’m getting “articles” sent to me!
LisaUnfiltered´s last [type] ..Influencing our Kids
Glad I can help Lisa!
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Also, for the record, I think that rape and incest are 100% acceptable reasons to have an abortion.
I just wanted to make sure I was clear about that part.
Heather @ Brace Yourselves´s last [type] ..You know its been a busy week when-
God (or whatever you choose to call a power much greater than ourselves) has given us the power of choice.
I am not conceited enough to feel I am privy to any divine “plan”. If there is a plan- we don’t know what it is.
Sharron Angle is an idiot, who I doubt would preach this message were she personally faced with carrying a monsters child.
- whew, that’s my burning judgement for the day.
although, it is still morning…
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as a woman, a christian, and a survivor of other traumatic, emotional events in life…i am disgusted. vomit. (and not because of the old eating disorder thing either).
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I’m pretty sure that God has a plan for everyone, even those who have to resort to abortion for whatever reasons. It wouldn’t happen if it wasn’t in God’s will.
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It should come as no great surprise that Ms. Angle received the Republican nomination, what with
her direct access to God and to be privy to His ‘plan’ and everything.
I’m glad I live in a country, that for the time being, we have a tremendous amount of freedom.
I pray that our country doesn’t continue to move backwards. The last thing I need is to have some self-righteous pinhead
person/group picking away at my rights to make legal choices. I hope I am never put in a position that I would
have find myself pregnant because of act of rape. If I was, I can assure you, the only thing I would ask Ms. Angle (and anyone
like minded) to do with her direct access would involve shoving and not dialing.
“i have yet to come across a single person who says they are “pro-abortion.”
I will gladly stand up on that side of the fence when everyone is sitting down. In fact, I will even throw confetti. And I will go so far as to say that if a woman “chooses” to use abortion as her means of birth control, that is her prerogative. You go girl.
As for some sort of “divine plan”? Until I see a giant crucifix orbiting the earth, I cordially invite Ms. Angle to get over her self-appointed-divine-plan-interpreter self.
Yes, I’m ticked.
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Well, this is very disturbing. Personally, I find both parties to be equally insane, so I don’t default to an opinion one way or another when it comes to individual issues. I happen to be pro-choice. I also happen to be an atheist. Also, being in Nevada, I DO happen to agree with Angle about SOME things. But this? Not so much.
This is just very disturbing. I have heard this rationale over and over again. Even if she believes that line of bull, since when should be making public policy based on any particular religion?
Ugh. Just.. UGH.
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I saw this article yesterday as well and it just made me sick. To say it is “god’s plan” just makes it that much worse, like it just some sort of excuse so she doesn’t have to truly back up her ideals.
I am liberal through and through and pro-choice (not to be confused with pro-abortion, like you mentioned in a comment above). To hear a woman say the things that Angle said just makes me feel all stabby.
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If God’s plan is for someone to force themselves on you and then you be burdened with carrying the seed of that violation?
I don’t want a whole lot to do with that God.
Some women can do it, can look past it. But they shouldn’t have to if they don’t want to. If they just can’t.
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I think what bible thumping anti-abortionists forget, when they go saying that “God has a plan” is that God himself gave people FREE WILL. He may have a plan, but he gave his brethren free will for a reason. What happens to free will when you force religious beliefs on people?
Also: wtf happens to the devil in all this? According to the Bible, the Devil also has a plan. Maybe the devil put the rapist up to this. By denying the rape victim an abortion, you’re supporting the devil, not God. NOW WHAT??
I could go on and on about the holes in this particular anti-choice argument. Not to mention the fact that religion has no place in politics.
That said, as someone who was raped at the age of 12, I cannot imagine being denied an abortion if I had gotten pregnant. Just cannot even fathom the unfairness. Haven’t we all seen Dirty Dancing? We know what happens when access to abortion is denied: people get hacked up by charlatans with rusty hangers, posing as doctors.
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Interestingly enough, for much of my twenties I thought I was the child of rape.
When I first got my non-identifying information from the adoption agency, the paperwork stated that my birthfather raped my birthmother and that was why she relinquished me. It was not until my mid-thirties when I finally met her that I found out that story was not true – it was what she told the agency to make her story sound a little more tragic.
Am I glad I’m alive? You bet. But I would have supported her right not to have had me. As it was, I’m a baby that was born pre-Roe v. Wade, so there was not another legal option available to her other than relinquishment or raising me. Had abortion been legal for my birthmother I would defend to the death her right to have made the choice not to have me.
Oh, and I’m a follower of Christ. But I would never lay claim to being able to speak about God’s will for another person. We each own our own truths; it is sheer arrogance to assume we know what is best for another person or that we have the right to take away their choices.
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Neo-con wack-job fundies like Angle conveniently sprinkle “God” and other religious jargon into their thinly veiled hate speech on an alarmingly regular basis. That’s what this is to me, ultimately.
Many so-called “Christians” are really just overblown, bigoted ass-clowns who act like the school yard bully.
I can’t remember who said “the personal is political” but I think we can all agree that choice/abortion is a hugely personal and political issue. I highly doubt that Ms.Angle would be singing the same tune were she (God forbid) to find herself the victim (survivor) of rape or incest. But that’s just my not-so-humble opinion.
I agree with the comments re: knowing God’s plan. Unless she believes she’s Moses incarnate (which brings up a whole slew of other questions) I really don’t think she, or anyone else, is in a
position to attempt to interpret the divine. Urgh, the more I type, the more my blood boils. As a 6 year survivor–holy shit I just realized its been that long– I know that
The LAST f*ing thing I’d want to deal with is bearing the spawn of the shitbrain that raped me. Thank the Universe that it was a non-issue but I can say that I absolutely would have had an abortion. I also know that even my conservative parents would be behind me on this, because they believe that ultimately the whole issue boils down to personal freedom and *duh* choice. Who are we to pass judgment or decide what is right for others? What’s good for the goose isn’t always good for the gander.
my thoughts?
I hate the “It’s God’s plan!” line. Really? God planned for someone to forcibly rape a woman, and then planned for her to be pregnant? Really? So she could a constant reminder of the horrible crime perpetrated against her? That’s God’s plan, huh? Hot damn, God’s even worse at this planning shit than I am.
Of course, that argument would probably be countered with “God never gives you more than you can handle!”
Okay. Deep breath. I don’t REALLY have anything against Christianity in general, just the blind, judgmental, un-empathetic, living-in-their-own-bubble-world Christians.
FWIW, I am pro-choice. As in, I am totally pro-everyone-should-decided-for-their-own-selves. Personally…I don’t know. Thankfully, I’ve never had to be in a situation that had me facing that particular choice.
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That’s absolutely disgusting! I’m horrified.
No X from me, but I wish I could X that quote out of my head. gross.
I’m pro choice, and always will be. To forcefully remove that choice from a woman is taking away a HUGE right…arg! ANGER.
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